[-empyre-] moovogs - sounds like a shoe

[parrishka <parrishka@sympatico.ca>]

Adrian Miles wrote:



but yeah, html is good for the textually literate. except as you

> point out below (and as your blogs illustrate) one of the big things
> in blogging (for instance) is visual design, and this is a big thing
> in html (as far as i can see it's the only reason to use a wysiwyg
> tool to write pages, if it's just text, then use a text processor and
> save as html...). it is the word as design.
>
>

certainly. i still don't think that generally people perceive it as such- and i
think that's key.


> so perhaps it's the same with vogs. i'd also approach it in a similar
> way. imagine a domestic video camera and a consumer macintosh. in
> terms of hardware that's the lot. imagine shooting a couple of
> minutes a day and spending just a little while in imovie cutting it
> down to 2 minutes (when i started vogging i had a personal rule,
> maximum of 2 hours work per vog, otherwise it was too far from being
> a blog). then putting that on a web page and integrating any text
> into the movie. what would you shoot, show, and write? i reckon much
> like how you learn to blog it evolves over time and it won't be long
> before you've got a vog 'voice'. :-)
>

k.. i'm imagining.. and i'm freaking out...
maybe i just produce too slowly.
it takes me a good long time to write my blog posts- and I shed tears any time i
have to do site redesign b/c i'm so visually impaired.

i want to beleeeeeeeve!

but i don't!

>
>
> oh, i'm hoping to have vogs in a moo (i wanted to take this guest
> spot into a moo actually to show and have a real time conversation
> about vogs, still happy to do it if people interested). and yes, to
> be moosavvy there is alearning curve, and it's another medium that
> privileges text literacy too (moos are a very sophisticated sort of
> literacy particularly the punning that goes on).
>

wheee!
and that's a very interesting point.
Well, let me qualify- MOO'ers privilege the textuality of MOOs- hence the "GUI
MOOs are a sell-out" rhetoric.
and before i hijack this into a discuss about MOOs, this all comes back to
perception.
We generally don't think of text as a visual medium- despite all that ascii art.
(and this is part of why, as John Cayley argues, poets tend to make good digital
literary art, cause poets have been concerned with the materiial/visual/aural
quality of the word for some time..)

MOOvogs would be fascinating.
especially b/c you could play with the notion of a screening- a temporally based
communal experience of the work.

cool. do it.

k.


>
> and stretching yes, one day soon i hope to have a class where they
> will vog. and i'm interested to see what happens.
>
> nice questions and great ideas. anyone wanna see some vogs in a moo?
> (and what planet are we from to even have such a sentence?)
>
> cheers
> adrian miles
> --
>
> +  lecturer in new media and cinema studies
> [http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/vlog]
> +  interactive desktop video developer  [http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vog/]
> +  hypertext rmit [http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au]
> + InterMedia:UiB. university of bergen [http://www.intermedia.uib.no]
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